Club Website editor Dan Pope speaks to FA Disciplinary Manager Mark Ives about the new match-based disciplinary system that has launched this season.
For many years amateur footballers in England have felt harshly treated by the FA when it comes to disciplinary matters.
While John Terry or Rio Ferdinand would receive a three match ban if sent off for a mistimed tackle, a player at grassroots level would receive a minimum 35-day suspension for the same offence.
Such perceived injustices are now a thing of the past in adult football, following the introduction this season of a new match-based disciplinary process that brings grassroots football in line with the professional game and the National League System.
When Mark Ives, the FA’s Disciplinary Manager, asked of the old system “Is that fair?” the unavoidable answer was that it was not.
“We have a view that people should be treated across the board in the same manner,” Ives told Club Website, “whether you commit an offence in Cornwall or Cumberland and whether that offence is committed in the local park on a Sunday morning or in the higher echelons of the game.”
Having introduced match-based suspensions to Steps 5-6 of the National League System in 2006 and Step 7 in 2009, Ives set up a trial of the new system at grassroots level, with seven amateur leagues participating over the last two seasons.
“It proved to be a resounding success for everyone across the board,” says Ives.
“I went to all seven leagues and asked them, having had a chance to trial it, if they wanted to keep the system or go back to the old system.
Without exception they said ‘No, this is a far better system.’”
Following this success, the start of the 2011-12 season has heralded the start of the match-based disciplinary process for all open-age 11-a-side football in England.
Player suspensions will now automatically start 21 days after the offence which led to the suspension and, whilst the size of fines may differ, the playing sanction imposed will be exactly the same for any amateur player as it would be in the professional or semi-pro game.
Players will receive suspensions after receiving 5, 10 or 15 yellow cards by certain points of the season and sending off offences will carry with them standard fixed penalties (see table below).
In a significant change to the old system, any suspensions handed out for footballing matters now apply only to that particular type of football.
For example, if a player is sent off for a serious foul play while playing for his Saturday team, he will miss three games for that team (starting 21 days after the red card) but can continue playing for his Sunday team.
Two-way respect
This certainly provides a fairer outcome for players and shows that the FA have been listening to concerns, but Ives firmly believes that “respect works two ways” and the new system demands that referees are afforded the same level of respect.
His message to players is: “We’ll give you a much fairer sanction, provided you don’t turn around and abuse the referee. You may disagree with his decision, but accept it.”
To back this up, any player found to abuse a referee after being sent off will receive a further punishment which will, at that point, see the player suspended from all types of football.
To further support their referees, the FA have removed the player’s right to appeal, unless they are able to produce video evidence to dispute a referee’s decision.
“Something that really upset referees is that they felt they were being challenged by being brought to personal hearings,” Ives explains.
“Now we’re saying to referees ‘we trust your decision’. Unless there is video evidence to say that it’s wrong, that decision is final so referees will not be dragged unnecessarily to personal hearings.”
This rule change should affect only a relatively small number of people as, of the 54,000 sendings off in England last season, less than 1,200 (2.2%) led to a request for a personal hearing.
So it appears that the new system is fairer, clearer, more consistent and should increase the level of respect to referees. Sounds great. But if it is such a good system, why has it taken the FA until now to implement it?
“Basically because of systems,” Ives admits. “Across the country there were 50 different systems operating in 50 different counties.
“We needed to spend a lot of time with the counties bringing all of that together and having one standard system, which we achieved. We managed to bring it in to Steps Five and Six of the National League System. That worked really well and it just snowballed from there.”
The snowball that was the trial at grassroots level was, as we have already heard, a resounding success. So why is new match-based system restricted to adult football, while all disciplinary sanctions in youth (under 18s) football remain time-based?
Youth football
One current sticking point is linked to a key principal of the new match-based system – the right to appeal against a decision by video evidence only.
“In youth football we don’t want to have that right in there because we don’t want to encourage people to go around videoing youth games of seven, eight or nine year olds.”
Ives, however, remains upbeat: “There are other implications that we have to consider, but there are also other ways of recognising youth football in this matter.
“We are looking at this year seeing if we can bring youth into the system for the 2012-13 season. I’ve met with a number of youth leagues to seek their opinion and I have asked County Football Associations to go to their leagues so that we can get their feedback.
“But I’m pushing on an open door because I’ve already been inundated by youth leagues saying that they want it.”
Review and feedback
The new system in open-age football will remain under review this season and the FA’s Disciplinary Team will consider amendments for next season if required.
“I’m a firm believer that regulations are regulations for 12 months,” says Ives. “If there is need for a change that will improve the game then we get an opportunity through the right channels to change them on a yearly basis.
“I genuinely want feedback from clubs. We have created a new email address so if anybody has any observations or suggestions they should email them to matchbased@thefa.com.
“I can’t guarantee that everything will be changed – and if you see some of the suggestions you’ll understand why! – but I can guarantee that they will go in front of the relevant committee and they will get a personal response.”
Key points – what the new match-based system means for clubs
Have your say!
What do you think of the FA’s new match-based disciplinary procedures? Do you have any concerns over the system? Would you like to see it introduced in youth football?
Please post your thoughts in the comments section below. We’ll collate them all and will send them on to Mark Ives and his team, something that Ives says he “would welcome”.
So don’t delay – tell us what you think!
COMMENTS
sallyanne holland says:
my 15 yr old got his first and only red card at a cost of £35, i don’t have that sort of money as a single parent, but have been told by his old manager that if he does not pay he will be reported to the FA and his name on a register of some sorts and never allowed to play again, is this true?
April 25, 2013 at 14:17
V for Vendetta says:
I found this article whilst researching for information regarding fines.
My 11 year old son has just been given a yellow card whilst playing for his local team and we have been given a £10 fine and only 14 days to pay it!
I’m appalled that children are being fined!
I can afford the fine but what about those parents or parent that cannot? With £90 registration fee and £3 per game, and running the risk of fines, it’s cheaper to let them run the streets or sit watching TV eating junk food!
October 25, 2011 at 18:17
Martin Ball says:
An excellent system and hopefully it will work. My only comment in relation to the question about mistaken identity is that there should never be a problem with a Caution or a Sending Off – if the wrong player is punished due to ‘mistaken identity’, all their club needs to do is advise the local FA of the correct player who should have been punished
October 2, 2011 at 22:08
shuggie says:
Would love to see this rolled out over the whole country not just in England, including at all 11 aside games from youth level upwards. I know of a player at U17 level in the WLAYFC league in Scotland who was cautioned in may and didnt receive his match bans until two months later which meant he missed the start of the new season. Ref said he kicked an opponent where video evidence could have proved that he stood on the players foot as they both came of the park after the tackle.
October 2, 2011 at 20:48
Breck says:
The new system is better as its in line with the professional game, but the charges are unecessary, some players are struggling to play the game as they are on the dole without all these so called fines.
Yellow cars which isnt mentioned cost a player £10 which is put down as an adminisitration fee, Red card is £15 plus £10 administration fee, so a RED CARD cost £25, half of what a person on the dole receives, so how can it be justified to charge amateur players who actually PAY money to play. They arnt earning millions to play , most are doing it to socialise and keep fit. So fining players these amounts is a total scandal.. Surely a ban is enough as most of the players hate missing a game.
October 2, 2011 at 00:11
julian cope says:
Just two quick questions… re:
“Recognised matches to which suspensions apply include all league games, league cups, FA competitions and the Senior County Cup that the team plays in.”
1. Does this apply also to pre-season friendlies where a league secretary or club secretary has obtained the services of a registered referee?
2. What about County Cup matches below Senior level, e.g. Junior County Cup etc.?
Julian Cope, (Referee)
October 1, 2011 at 08:25
R. H. Swan says:
System good. However instructions on procedure if no correspondence from County FA should be made clearer, and I suggest
“It is your responsibility to report all offences, cautions, dismissals, and totting up of bookings————–”, rather than the ambiguous “lack of paper work is no excuse”.
Secondly I feel the time for notifying a player of his suspension, and then for remitting any money should be returned to fourteen days. The Secretary of any club with more than one side who might have a bad weekend is put in an almost impossible positiion when having to do all this in one week.
Thirdly. Is any disciplinary action taken against a referee who fails to report such incidents ?
September 30, 2011 at 16:53
vincent Taylor says:
Good ideas.
The standard of refereeing must be monitored as well.
September 30, 2011 at 15:31
Andrew Clemens says:
The new discipline proceedures are good apart from the fact that the appeal process for cards of any sort have been removed. If there is a case of mistaken identity for example, you can only appeal with video evidence. This is fine in the professional game but clubs at Sunday League Level do not have the facilities to do this, unless they record all of their games (I know one club who does). Once again it seems that this particular side of things favours the big boys and leaves the smaller clubs without a leg to stand on!
September 30, 2011 at 15:21